 Hello, again. Hello, good afternoon, mister eddie. I'm xue qing. Yeah, hello, 2 weeks ago, we did the me were a useful practicing research in the lab. Yes, I remember yeah yeah. So today it is a follow up a phone interview to get some opinions from the using experience at home from you, yeah yeah. Is that fun for you to discuss about it? Now, yeah, okay, thank you. Then. How do you feel about using the cup in your home? In general, I it's just packaging. So I i'm perfectly fine with it. I do you want to know anything specific or sorry? What do you mean the success? I've got some things. Ii because i've been thinking about it. I as far as sort of like a standard jar goes, especially serviceable, perfectly fine. 
And may I ask, where did you store your cup container? Various places, but i'm still trying to finish the biscuits. 
Okay, I basically been using it as a like a cookie jar so far, which to be honest, is I think the particular for this size is sort of the ideal purpose of it. I think. Maybe some peanuts or like a nibble jar rather than a like a storage unit. So you have various places. Yeah, so you just put it on the table or by hand or somewhere you want to or maybe in the cupboard sometimes. Yeah, and I the size, when it comes to the size I think uh, it's sort of ideal in that way, right? 
So about for both of these purposes, iii did notice at some point, maybe that's just the layout of my own house, but you see, it's kind of a, lot of these content, but I was wondering whether if it made square, yes, we're bangalore that would be slightly more convenient. 
So you can sort of stack them on top of each other or next to each other on the, yeah, yeah yeah to save some space. Yeah, exactly. But also that they not just face, but also that the the slightly sort of basis. Thanks also each other. 
And next thing that I think yeah, and you said you didn't finish the cookie it, right? No, nearly, but no, perhaps it's not a very normal snacks in the netherlands for the cool and the problem. But I was a holiday as well. So you need too many biscuits. That's not a problem. It's not mandatory to finish it. 
Okay, after you finished finish it, how would you clean it? In in, your daily life? Yeah, because I was at some point I nearly convinced myself to actually put the biscuits in another jar and then just pretend there's nothing in it and probably just water. I mhm. It's just plastic. So in that respect I think it's quite useful. Yeah, just normally should I do the washing up? Just other we do with other road jobs and yeah, and normally how do you make the jar and dry after you clean it? I tend to just let it stand for the after that. Okay? Uh so dry by the air, yeah, me, too. 
Okay, if that is possible, would you like to shop again using the system maybe in the future? You can just to be honest, no no no i'm thinking about I it's sort of I I think it's less related, at least in my case it's less related to the packaging itself. Rather than the, the overall system um. Ii I think I would I particularly for these sort of like these small things of peanuts, ii actually think it it's sort of idea, right? Because otherwise you just these sort of plastic bags can keep piling up. 
And for those of, the things I I can imagine, I know getting something like peanuts, for example, and then not washing the thing at all, just going to superman but, then maybe that's on a genius for the other people. 
But I I think that you know what I mean it's sort of as a container it feels quite that's quite natural to use, I think. And that's probably because of this. The smaller one is quite possible. Yes, I understand. Perhaps for the dried food, you don't need to always clean it, just refuel it. Yeah, exactly. Maybe once every year or something, I particular for rice oh. Yes, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, last time because you only brought back a small cup with a cookies. It's a very small one. And could you imagine if you had brought back several cups, maybe with a different size? And with other products, then you have several of the reusable cups. How would you plan for your next shopping? 
Exactly, I to me, that's sort of the, I think the bronze of the problem as well, right? Because let's say I want to, I entire sort of shopping experience is basically based on impulse buys, right? Most of the time please and particularly things like biscuits or these sweets or not so crackers. They you don't go to the shop saying well i really desperately want these sort of crackers. I think I you you don't usually unless you need peanuts, for example. 
So in that case, I think you probably be forced to get a new one. We're in the shop with things like rice. I they tend to you know that like the dry goods. In general, maybe even boshing up liquid or something like that. I they tend to not sort of expire at the same rate. You probably won't have to go to the shop with all these jobs at the same time. 
But even then, again, it, if you got a bunch of just glass where like jaws and boxes, you also bring them to supermarket in this country, at least. So ii I can't imagine that being too much of a problem, but it's probably gonna take some discipline at first. Yes. Perhaps you need to have some plan before you go to the supermarket, because you need to consider how many containers you need to bring with you. And what kind of uh product that you will feel it. Yeah, exactly. But I unless you just run out of basically everything in your house, ii can't imagine in terms of space, in terms of sort of uncomfortability of dragging them back home from the supermarket or from the market. 
However, I can't imagine that being too much a problem, okay? Last time we also discuss about, do you prefer to use reuse the same cops, the same jars from the system or you would prefer to return them or maybe bring your own yourself containers. 
And now, which one do you prefer after you have more consideration on that? In fact, I think that's a big one, which I hadn't realized that time, but I ii personally would still use that glass jars, for example, because I think ii I prefer them because there's well it depends what it is, but they're slightly more solid. They but because at times that, because i've been using it as a biscuit, i've been handling it quite a lot rather than just storing it. 
And at times the plastic does feel slightly flimsy and um. 
So that I think, actually, based on that alone, I would probably imagine i'm getting damaged slightly sooner than on soon. And that's I probably return them frequently and get a new one. That's sort of, that's, I don't know, that's my general thing, I think, which I hadn't realized I when I was handling them in the machine. 
But i know, ii probably still use my own containers in general, I think. But that's also because like I said before, if this is square, for example, fatal the other square things i've got. And now it doesn't. So, yeah, okay. Then do you feel your actions in using the system will have an environmental impact? You mean in general or just a packaging? I because as an individual, do you feel your personal actions, your individual actions in using it will have the impact. Do you have that kind of feeling your contribute to the environment or not? Yeah, it's a very broad question. I'm personally the philosophical position really be as individuals have no real impacts on society. 
But ii guess I within this sort of more narrow meaning for you, trying to argue, yeah, probably, mhm. Although it does depend on the longevity of the plastic. And I it's still the problem I which I said before, right? Is the a total extent sort of the production chain on the needs it. So it is just basically so convincing parts of the of the ways than the energy problems created by production of such ways to just different segments of the economy. And to me, that still means it still is the case. No. Mhm i haven't changed my opinion on that. So uh, ii I don't know really? Yeah no. I don't know. I i'm very conflicted about this yeah yeah, because why I ask this question is that we feel the communication of the sustainability in the system is not not that visible for the consumers. 
So perhaps as consumers, we just follow the instructions to do it to reuse it. Actually, we we are not sure how many we can contribute or what our actions impacts. Yeah, exactly that. It's exactly that. And particularly because they could imagine that parts of the production process are actually quite quite useful in terms of reducing weight. And even in centralizing parts, of the production process. And i'm shipping and even in shipping. So when you explain rogue out of the year the science book, yeah, et cetera. So I can imagine parts of it, but I can also imagine that really there's a lot of stuff which is going on underneath that, which I have no sign to write, which ii can't possibly comprehend as I just consumer. Yeah, which to be honest, it is true for basically everything, right? 
So it's it, I think when it comes the environmental products and ways of life, it basically boils down to arbitrary choices between one thing or the other yes yeah. And I think that's true here as well. Yeah, I agree. Yes. Uh uh after using the system and cop. So there is concept like this. And do you feel different towards buying products in single use packaging in the supermarkets? When after this research? So sorry, what did you say? So I missed the first part. Yeah. I after you use, you have used the system and the jar. Do you feel different towards buying products in single use packaging in the supermarket? After there is a possibility to refuel? It? Do you have some racing? Again, ii not particularly, but that's because I think i've already been sort of involved in this in with my sister specifically. 
I I was aware of not particularly in this country, but I was aware of different solutions to this packaging problem. And this to me is just another solution which is more the mass production skill. I think then most other solutions which tend to be in geek and shops as small smaller shops like olive oil. The things or whatever. So no, ii don't think i've changed my mind. Yeah um, not really maybe in one sense that I and this is baffled me to be honest for many years. 
So why these solutions are permanently offered? Because I the technology isn't that complicated compared or already know? So maybe in that sense, so then it's my last question. Could you imagine this will become our main shopping approach for the packaged product on the shelf in the future? I can, I think some adjustments to systems, but I must certainly can particularly not with everything, but particularly with I to me, one of the big problems and still supermarket shelf is basically filled with20 different types of the same products. And it doesn't really work on that respect, right? 
And but if you can sort of normalize some of these sort of silly uh extravagance,  Sure, then this is clearly an interesting way of modernizing the supermarket uh but. Ii II personally tend to like going to markets like real markets and I these systems, they don't work in these places, right? But I the concept bringing your own which is a cultural shift, bringing your own contained to a place to get something. I I can imagine a system like this on a very low key sort of way, right? Where market stores for example, just all for cups like these. So you basically get it like a company selling these cups and doing it that way. Yes, I II do think there's a great potential in this system. Okay, thank you so much. That's all my questions. And thanks a lot for sharing your opinion with me again. Our program was some experience, good luck with your research. Good, thank you. Have a nice day. So. Bye bye. 